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Archdiocese opens door for unity in SA

The Archdiocese in South Australia have extended an invitation to the Greek Orthodox Community of South Australia to open dialogue for unity

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St George Orthodox Church

The community of St George Orthodox Church, Thebarton.

5 Jun 2011

The announcement last week that the Greek Orthodox Community of South Australia (GOCSA) have severed ties with the Genuine Orthodox Christians (GOX) has sparked a sudden interest into whether or not unity is on the cards for the Greek Orthodox churches in South Australia.

In light of the agreement between the Greek Orthodox Community of New South Wales (GOCNSW) and the Archdiocese - ready to be rattified by the members of GOCNSW on the Sunday 3 July - the Archdiocese has extended a new invitation to the Federation of Greek Orthodox Communities of Australia to bridge the divide that currently exists.

As it stands, GOCSA are affiliated with the Autocephalic Church of America and Australia. This association does not solve the long standing problem that many people in the community face. The issue being that Greek Orthodox mysteries, such as baptisms and marriage, undergone in churches in South Australia under GOCSA are not being recognised by the Archdiocese and, subsequently, not recognised in Greece.

This has been a cause of frustration within the Greek community of South Australia when second generation Greek Australians find themselves having to get re baptised when they choose to marry after discovering they are not christened in the eyes of the Archdiocese. A unity between the community churches and the Archdiocese will ultimately end confusion and frustration felt throughout the community.

While Theo Maras, President of the Federation of Greek Orthodox Communities in Australia, denied any dialogue between the community and the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese - during a recent interview with SBS radio on 26 May, his Grace the Bishop of South Australia, Nikandros of Dorileos, told Neos Kosmos this claim is untrue.

"The reality is that two such meetings have taken place at the offices of St George Church, Thebarton, between the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia, and specifically between Mr Maras, Fr Diogenis Patsouris and myself. Whether Mr Maras remembers one or both of these meetings, neither of these were incidental, as Mr Maras mentioned in his interview on SBS radio - dated 22 October 2010 - but they were both pre-arranged, with the sole aim to discuss the ecclesiastical issue and try to find a solution," said his Grace Bishop Nikandros.

His Grace noted also that during those two recent meetings, and on behalf of His Eminence Archbishop of Australia Stylianos, he extended an invitation tthrough Mr Maras to discuss the return of the Federation's communities to the Archdiocese.

"As you know the reconciliation is a necessary step especially for the younger generation. Young couples who would like to get married have to agree prior in which church they will do so. If they get married in one of the schismatic churches, their marriage will not be recognised by the Helleni State, and as a result of that, many of them in the past had issues in dealing with Athens such as inheritance acceptance matters etc." said his Grace Bishop Nikandros.

During the two meetings mentioned above, the issue of community properties was also discussed.

"I repeated categorically that His Eminence Stylianos is not interested in the properties as only the people are the wealth of the Church," said his Grace Bishop Nikandros to Neos Kosmos. "It is a shame in a country like Australia, which is characterised by harmonious community relations, for the Greek community of South Australia to remain divided. The federation should change its attitude. They have a responsibility towards the community. The Greek community of South Australia is tired from the division as it creates unnecessary problems for everyone," stated his Grace Bishop Nikandros.

When the Bishop was asked if, in his opinion, current developments in New South Wales will have a positive affect on the federation's willingness to resume dialogue he said he was unsure but remained hopeful that they will. His Grace Bishop Nikandros added that if a future agreement eventuates within the South Australian Greek Orthodox community, it will be along the same lines with the agreement within the New South Wales community.

"I have to add that the attitude on behalf of Mr Maras really surprises us. I can't explain it, but with the utmost faith, I believe that God will enlighten him and the other Members of the Federation to realise that their persistence on maintaining the divisions is not productive and it only creates problems. I encourage the Federation to move on and make a new start. Ongoing dissension would only create more problems. I feel that a great deal of responsibility lays on the shoulders of the Members of the Federation, if the issue is not resolved. The Archdiocese, with its ongoing sense of responsibility towards the community, has and always will embrace dialogue so that this issue may be resolved" concluded the Bishop.

Neos Kosmos contacted Mr Maras in relation to this issue but on all occasions he was unavailable to comment.

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Pretty disgusting , I am hellenic ,and a christian, and beleive these federations and groups or 2 churches are a disgrace. With your, Fererations I was baptisted 3 times because I was not registered with one groups that was recognise by the other in Greece. Tell the truth to the people it's not about God or Jesus, it's about who can pocket the most money, the question is, are you a share holder in one or the other? The Archbishops/Pope are head of the excective, voted in by men and are not ordaned by God. This is 2011 stop insulting our religion as you have for years. We are not the uneducated peasants that came from those villages in greece 50 years ago so do not insult our intelligence. Help our community, embrace orthodoxy not deter us from it. Spiro Cariotis Clarinda Victoria
The Greek Orthodox Community of South Australia was at the forefront of asserting the importance of secular authority over clerical autocracy nationally. It was the first community which fought hard in the 1950s to affirm its secular democratic nature in contrast imposition of undemocratic clerical power of the Archdiocese. It is a reason why the GOCSA has been so successful in maintaining its economic integrity over the years. The great SA Historian Michaelis Tsounis is one of the intellectual forefathers of the GOCSA and it was he along with the various leaders of the GOCSA since the 1950s, who underwrote the philosophical premise of secular taking precedent over clerical power. My late father, my mother and others in my family all supported the Franklin Street church against what they perceived to be dictatorial clerical powers of the Orthodox Church, not least the St George in Thebarton. In fact my father and mother were forced to re-marry in the 1960s as we were about to migrate to Greece, as the ‘mysteries’ were not recognised by a then right wing state authority. At the same time, some great leaders of the Greek community of SA, not least the late Basil Taliantzis who also served the community well. While I cringe at the idea of any form of reconciliation with clerical authorities I also understand that people do believe and have suffered from the division. My preference then would be that all Greek Orthodox Communities remove the term ‘Orthodox’ from their title, given not all Greeks are Orthodox, some are atheist, Jews, Muslim and Catholic, but are all Greek. We need to assert once and for all that the notion of Hellenism is and should not necessarily be linked to Orthodox Christianity. Language is far more important – but yes let the church can take its flock! Fotis Kapetopoulos Reservoir

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