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We should accept gay marriage

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4 Aug 2009

I was recently reading a book review on the writer Coleridge in The Weekend Australian by Dr Karalis which got me thinking about another subject that Dr Karalis has made a splendid contribution to, namely, the production of an outstanding biography on Patrick White’s lifelong partner, Manoly Lascaris.

White died in 1990 while Manoly only left us a few short years’ ago. Lascaris was a great and fascinating man. He was White’s best friend, lover and mentor over the span of an extremely productive and courageous lifetime.

The other key factor about Manoly Lascaris was that not only was he a Greek, or, indeed, a Greeek Australian, but he was a devotee of many of the rituals and customs of the Greek Orthodox Church.

What is undeniable is that the romantic, sexual and creative relationship between 1973 Nobel laureate, Patrick White and Manoly Lascaris was a highly successful and enduring one.

From my own personal perspective, and looking at the broader circle of friends and acquaintances that I have been associated with in the Greek-Australian community, I have witnessed the phenomenon, on a surprisingly large number of occasions, of married Greek men permanently leaving their wives for other men.

I concede that the dissolution of these once “respectable” marriages have caused much anguish for the partners, children and (often), the grandparents involved, but I have noted the continued and on-going strength of the subsequent gay unions.

It is time that the legal sanction of civil same sex marriages in the broader Australian community is legislated.

According an inferior symbolic status to same-sex unions such as, gay ‘unions’ or ‘partners’, even if all financial, superannuation and institutional privileges are provided for gay couples, to be an unacceptable.

The Ancient Greek viewpoint on gay relationships, as expounded by Plato and Socrates ran aground, particularly with the New Testament zeal of St Paul, (a man who never met Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth), who managed to make his way to places such as Salonika and Verroia.

St Paul and the New Testament seem to discount and ignore the magnificent evocation of sexuality in the Old Testament’s Song of Songs.

Christianity, whether Catholic, Evangelical or Eastern Orthodox, has maligned and deliberately smeared the character of same-sex love and sexuality.

One of the two greatest novelists living in Australia is of Greek extraction and is proudly gay. I won’t even mention his name simply because his deserved fame and accolades have arisen entirely from his craft and not his sexuality.

Finally, a word on the Jewish tradition, particularly the strand of Progressive strand of Judaism, that I have a great affinity for, even though it cops a perennial scalding from the Orthodox and Conservative strands of Judaism.

In a groundbreaking book, Whose Torah?, Rabbi Rebecca Alpert openly notes that in the USA, Progressive Judaism openly supports gay marriage, the ordination of gay Rabbis, as well as the marriage of transgender couples.

The tidal wave endorsing gay marriage will topple the last bastions of conservatism and that includes the Greek Orthodox Christian Church, an institution that bizarrely glorifies Ancient Greek heritage (Alexander the Great) while burying its head in the sand over the aforesaid icon’s undoubted bisexuality.

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The only thing I can say on this matter is gay people will continue to have gay relationships whether we like it or not. The real issue with gay marriage is the use of the word marriage. Marriage as we all know is traditionally between man and woman in a religious context. Lets say what it really is if you want to be married then you must follow the rules of that religious order, if gay marriage is not acceptable then tough!. If you want a legal union that's another thing all together.
Many gay men and women adhere themselves blindly to the Democratic Party. They believe that it is only the philosophy of the current make-up of the Democratic Party that will allow them their basic civil rights. I argue that what they are actually doing is selling away all of their other Constitutional freedoms for the sake of a marriage license and to do precisely that is "non-rational". From a psychological standpoint I also feel that the gay community suffers tremendously from self-hatred that projects itself in the form of victimization onto the rest of our Amercian brothers and sisters. And in the end, that is more self-destructive to our cause as a whole than productive.
Its funny how those people who boast loudly about being "Christian" are also often the first in line to say how much they hate a group of people. I don't know if Gay Marriage is right or wrong, but what I do know is that Jesus never went around hating people, and those who use Jesus name as an excuse to hate other people have nothing to do with God. Apparently, when the Bible says only God has the right to pass judgement on others, these people think this does not apply to them. Or perhaps they think it is a typo, or perhaps they have never actually read the bible themselves and just repeat what others tell them to. But the real issue here is the poison that is the Orthodox Church. It is well documented that the Orthodox Church was responsible for single handedly destroying Ancient Greece. It was the Christian Church who set fire to Plato's Academy (the world's first University) and mercilessly put on trial and slaughtered thousands of Ancient Greece's teachers and students for preaching critical thinking. It was the Orthodox Church who brought the dark ages to Greece and made us into generation after generation of uneducated and uncivilised village people. This happened long before the Turks arrived on the scene. You can read further information in this academic article http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6428/is_2_23/ai_n29321319/pg_3/ The sooner Greeks wake up to the complete betrayal of the Orthodox Church, the sooner we can return to our glory days.

In my view gay marriage is totally wrong. It is a sin. I don't have anything against gay relationships, but as for marriage, that is totally wrong! But, if gay couples wish to live in a defacto relationship, that is ok by me.

Well, I believe no matter who we are or what we're doing Jesus loves us with all of His heart. I do think He sometimes is disgusted with all of our actions, but at the core of who Jesus is, there's a boundless, unexplainable love I find addicting

It is a moot point for homosexuals to seek validation of their being through the intellectual inflexibility of a religious institution as much as it is irrelevant to most gays what the church thinks of them. Although I cannot fathom the biological and/or chosen predisposition of gays, the universal notion of individual freedom tells us that their predisposition and/or choices should be respected.

As far as this being a "phenomenon" in the Greek-Australian community (as referred to above) I would seriously dispute that! Ted, you should put down your Theology-101 books and get out and about a bit more into the real world.

I think it is great that Neos Kosmos is representing the issue of homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with being gay and there are so many prominent Greeks in our community that are. These people need to be supported, not condemned.

Objections to gay marriage and condemnation of homosexuality by the churches and particularly the Greek Orthodox Church raise some interesting inconsistencies. Firstly, the Church preaches peace, love and benevolence yet it does not extend them to gays. Rather it seems to use hate and condemnation. It seems somewhat strange and un-Christian to condemn people on the basis of their love for others, albeit of the same sex.

Secondly, the Greek Orthodox Church equates “Greek-ness” with Orthodox Christianity. It was supposed that you could not be Greek if you were not Orthodox Christian. While it is true that the overwhelming majority of Greeks are also Greek Orthodox Christians – at least nominally – and most modern Greeks claim the ancient Greek heritage as their own, yet ancient Greek practices are at odds with the beliefs of the Church. Homosexuality was common in aristocratic ancient Greek culture. Achilles, Patroclos, Solon, Themistocles, Aristides, Socrates, Alcibiades, to mention but a few, are known to have indulged. So let’s not sweep it under the carpet.

Thirdly, celibacy in the higher echelons of the church and in monasteries has the unintended consequence of appealing to males who are either not attracted to females or in some cases predominantly attracted to males. In such circumstances homosexuality is practiced and although kept secret is even tolerated. It reminds one of the comical USA military policy on gays of “Don’t ask, don’t tell”.

A marriage is between a man and a woman. Not two people of the same gender!
We are Greek.
When you are carrying the Greek flag on your shoulders that means that you are accepting the fact that you are Greek Orthodox because of the cross on the flag.
The Greek Orthodox church doesnt acknowledge gay marriges.
It condems the act of being gay.
It is disgraceful that a Greek newspaper which supports the greek orthodox community of melbourne publish such an article.

The Greek Orthodox Church being a DIVINE institution founded by Christ will NEVER sanction "Gay Unions" in any form. God only has sanctioned marriage between a man and woman. All are welcome in the Orthodox faith but sexual relations should only be between a man and woman in marriage. All other is a sin!!

Founded by Christ? are you kidding?? Christ never founded ANY church you fool. The Christian Church did not come into existence for hundreds of years after Christ. Get a clue.

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